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Frankel asserted it as "naive" that anyone shouldthink the Florida Legislature's leadership was "calling the shots." "The only thing missing from the proclamation today was thepostmark from Austin," she said. She went on about theubiquitous "WillofthePeople" and how outrageous it would be for the"partisan" majority to supplant themselves for the wishes of six millionFloridians. If there is one thing I cannot stand, it's a whineyloser. ("Legal and constitutional scholars far smarter than me have been saying that there is no legal grounds for this!" she let on.)Oh, there's room for it in the case of, say, a ninety-seven-poundweakling getting trounced by a two-hundred-pound bully pounding him justbecause he's little. I could see that sort of thing being worth howlingabout, because the injustice of it is starkly obvious: anyone like thatwho would destroy someone smaller just because he's smaller, isalso a good candidate for a tire-iron on the kneecap just to get hisattention before making things right again. In the matter ofbig-time politics, however, nothing like this is the case. For oneobvious thing: ignorance of the rules is no excuse. Rep. Frankel coulddo herself a favor just by reading the US Constitution. Personally, I'mnot a real big fan of that document, but it's not terribly long orotherwise difficult to understand. Also: I'm not the one who's gone intobusiness under its provisions, which is not the case with Rep. Frankel,even though she's just a whiney Florida state representative. In theinstant case everything she was talking about is subject to theauthority of the US Constitution. "Each State shall appoint, insuch a Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number ofElectors." (Article II, Section 1, paragraph 2) The periodisn't strictly quotation, because the sentence continues beyond thatpunctuation, but it'll stand for the purpose of a great big "HELLO!" toRep. Frankel. So, what exactly is it that drives a person likeher to her appearance this afternoon? Well, she knows an implacablething when she sees it. The Republican majority in Florida is gettingready to have their way with the elector slate, and if they really wantto do that, there is nothing in the world that anyone can do about it.They have all the numbers breaking their way, and poor Rep. Frankel, whowants Al Gore to be president, is going to lose in that case. One wonders if she didn't understand politics when she chose a career.Did she never look forward to a day when her own party would be in themajority and have its way? If she ever did, then whence all thishollering about "partisanship?" What the hell else could sheever expect? If she has some idea that her own appearance on the heelsof the announcement was "non-partisan" or something like it, she shouldbring it on, because I can always use a good laugh. Whether theFlorida Republican leadership of the legislature are"partisans," one thing remains indisputably true: thatassembly is mandated by the US Constitution to appoint a slate ofpresidential electors. They're calling the special session a "safetynet" in case the Certificate of Ascertainment -- already stashed inWashington -- turns out to be not so certifiable as a result of anynumber of legal actions now in progress. They might never stand up andcop to "partisanship" in the deal, right out loud, any more than Rep.Frankel would admit that for motive of her own distress, but they feellike they need to cover the action. Who could blame them? It'svariously said that "the electors were chosen on electionday." This is the "photo-finish" argument; that the only thingremaining is to examine the photos of the finish. That would be thefull-blast manual recounts. The most notable example at the moment isthe Leon County circuit court case which was appealed to the FloridaSupreme Court. The Gore team is still playing for a hand recount of14,000 "under-vote" ballots in Palm Beach and Miami-Dade counties. The "undervote" ballots are the sort that require human peeringthrough to a light source, nonsense aptly called "ballot phrenology" byLynette Warren right here in The Union Square Journal. It was great forillustrating the actual cognitive value of various ardent work carriedon by the various bleary-eyed canvassing boards, which is nil. Now, we could rehearse all the hue & cry over "divining voterintent" and all the rest of it, but I'm not interested. I'll justsensibly assert , here, that anyone who thinks they know who an"undervote" voter voted for, is also just making it up. The simple factis that there is no evidence, in the same way that there is no evidencefor leprechauns. That's that. It's just the way it is. The far more pressing question involves who, exactly, is making up what,exactly, and why they would do it. This is the point whereintegrity requires Full Disclosure. I want to get out of the way, rightaway, that I am a dedicated Clinton Hater. Sooner or later in thesecolumns I will make clear to all the fullest depths of my contempt forThe Lying Bastard and his Ozark Long March. The point is brieflynecessary here, however, for this reason: I am not unreasonable about it. Throughout The Long National Nightmare -- duringwhich I have been far more fully awake than to fall for all the"prosperity" jazz -- I grew to my status ("If only the guykept an "Enemies List" like some presidents we've known!") withclose observation of this administration's record, which was alwaysappraised in terms of principles . All of that leads to fairlyheavy material, all its own. My principles (mainly freedom) are anathemato many, but I'm not here to argue them. (Yet.) What I'm getting at isthe fact that hating Maximum Bill, as well as his whole rotten cast, isan eminently reasonable conclusion at which to arrive by a process ofreason. One more disclosure in order to set a context: Bush isgoing to be a spectacularly rotten president. Not especially evil, Ithink, but spectacularly rotten. Tack that up on your refrigerator: Isaid that. Period. Way, way back in that unholy nightbetween the 7th and 8th of November, Christopher Ruddy writing atNewsmax filed a 4:21am report which stated that "key Democraticprecincts held back turning in their final tallies until the bitterend." Ahead of a few of its unfortunate or improvident competitors, TheNew York Times had stopped its presses sometime near 3:30am in order toavoid another Truman/Dewey style headline goof. Before the morning sunhad raced from sea to shining sea, the Florida vote was legally mandatedfor recount by the hair-thin margin, and forecasts of court challengeswere already hours old. The Florida vote looked like a trainwreck that had finally found its grid-coordinate. The Place To Be. Very shortly after the train wrecked, air was densely fogged withshouts of confusion in numbers that eventually far outstripped thealleged mistaken Buchanan votes. Even before the train wrecked,Gore fund-rouser Terry McAuliffe told reporters, "We got to make surethis election is right." Looking back at that November 7th statement,one wonders whether he knew the wreck was coming, although itwould be fair to note that we're talking about a state in which votefraud is so pervasive that the Miami Herald won a Pulitzer Prize forinvestigating the subject, so I guess it's possible that my eightyear-old niece could have expressed the same worry had she beeninterested. By 4:30am during the overnight on NBC, Newsweek'sJonathan Alter threw down what can only now be regarded as A Plan,looking back on actual events. Nearly frenzied over the nationwidepopular vote margin for Gore, Alter suggested shotgun litigation inevery court with an open door, essentially aimed at keeping the Bushelector slate from being certified for as long as possible. Twobeneficial ricochets might possibly accrue from this angle: 1) Bushmight yield to various unspecified pressures to concede the electionunder the weight of the national popular vote; and 2) it could later beplausibly argued that there could never be an accurate (i.e. - "true")accounting of the Florida vote. It shouldn't require aquantum physicist to understand which way the particles are blowing whena James Carville says that the day will come when we will all understandthat Al Gore won the election in Florida. It's likely the furthestdistance from accident when US Sen. Harry Reid, (D-Nev) come along toremind everyone: "Remember, there's something of a pale over all this:he lost the popular vote by over a quarter-million votes." Now,for the purposes of my own judgment in these matters, a resort tohistory is quite often good enough for me, and here's one thing I know:the name "Daley" anywhere near them is something like acid on fineleather... which isn't to point up a comparison of fine leather toelections, but actually the particular ferocity of the corrosive effect.And that's just for starters, as in: a generation before Carville, ifyou can imagine the devolutionary implications. So, now, we'retreated to some dynamic portrait of yet another working class herolaboring in The Ballot Fields for the future of the past, and here's anoteworthy fact: it's the... Gore people... who pitch that rubbish.Nobody else. I could sit here and nod my head and smile at thesuggestion that there is no Uncertainty Principle at work in thisbusiness, but I'm afraid I won't be very good at it, because theresimply can be no other way of things than that the data will change aslong as they care to look at it, because they're looking at it. Iam not a fool: I know "phrenology" when I see it, even if only as far asI can see the damned lawyers tramping around and the whining losersbaring fangs. Just look at these people, and tell me if the truth is inthem. Go ahead. Pat Caddell is nearly coming ungluedlately, and that looks like a signal matter, to me. "We are headed tohell," he said tonight in looking ahead at partisan divides. The poorguy is making as much righteous noise as he can over the electionstealings of Florida, but he's also got a pretty good grip on which waythe particles are blowing into the future. I've not heard him remarkgreatly on the legal plays. But he might see that sort of thing as swellfor people who dig it, but anyone who thinks that's where the action is,is also the type of person to be excited by a field-goal kicked in thelast six seconds of a 21-7 football game. Yeah: there's a lotof noise in the stands, and even side-bets on miracles (e.g., MartinCounty), but Al's dead. Nobody has to believe that, of course,but they get to hang around and watch to see who's right about it. Andthen, as Carville tells us where his bet lays, "We're gonna have thewrong guy in the presidency because these votes are going to be countedunder the Florida sunshine law." It was Nancy "Amazing" Grace who hippedus, "Those votes will be counted, come hell or high water." Wonder which it'll be. Don't you? Which would be what to the Bushadministration, and would it be "partisan?" Jeez, it wouldalmost call for some kind of price to be paid for winning the election,what Thomas Bray at OpinionJournal.com characterized as "go[ing] allwobbly with gauzy visions of a bipartisan future." How much hell or highwater would that take? The question occurs because of the ways thesepeople raise them... but this isn't the place to start raising otherquestions about burnt drowned bodies. And, see, the thing isthat Maximum Bill can go ahead and ride off to Hollywierd or Oxford ifhe can get away with either one of them... if he can get far enough awayto dodge the splinters if one of his old pillars explodes under him,which is to say: out of reach of "the law." He probably will, and Isaid so years ago. (From 1776 on, nobody ever died so that somethinglike Bill Clinton could be what he has been and then just flit off toparty like a retired Soviet apparatchik as if the blood of the Lubyankacellars had never splashed his trousers.) 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I'm excited to see the new and bigger beaches of Waikiki. In the paper someone was quoted as saying they couldn't stick an umbrella into the sand without hitting concrete after an inch. I thought that was an exageration, I've seen little kids burrow 3 foot manholes into the sand. The beaches were a lot smaller than I expected them to be when I first saw them. More sand means more room for more people and can only be a benefit to the tourism industry. Posted by James at January 29, 2004 12:17 AM Comments Posted by Ryan on January 29, 2004 10:17 AM : The sand on Waikiki beach has been replenished before, and it probably will always require sand be brought from elsewhere to maintain the "beach." It's the most artificial of all shorelines, and yet the most famous - kind of like Disneyland. I agree it's good for business, but for the environment? Probably not. I don't think that beach will be looking or smelling its best for a few weeks after the project. So take your postcard photos now! Posted by Albert on January 29, 2004 03:22 PM : Can't expect the tourists to go all the way out to Makaha to get really big "white, sandy beaches of Hawaii". Posted by Linkmeister on January 30, 2004 03:41 PM : Or worse, Albert, go to the neighbor islands! :) Posted by Sin on February 3, 2004 08:48 PM : Big beach on Maui has the best white sandy beaches and beautiful blue water. Watch out for the shorebreak though, it's almost as rough as Sandy's on a big day. Posted by Gaye on February 5, 2004 08:02 PM : The 1951 Hawaii Superintendent of Public Works Annual Report outlined the first Waikiki Beach "Development" Project. A rocky shoreline that stretched from the Elks Club to Yacht Harbour Tower, often at a 45 degree incline, was widened and flattenedto 150 feet of white sand. Among more capitalist and colonial impulses, people sometimes came to Waikiki in the 20th century to witness or experience its natural environment. One was the lengendary classic Waikiki ride all the way from Steamers Lane to shore. Another was the wide coral reef that provided local people with an amazing fishing ground. The conjunction of sand and flat reef enabled squid, lobster, moi, papio, and a range of reef fish to flourish. The artificial 'beach' drifted into the reef and filled in the squid and lobster habitat. It also sectioned off the surf so the classic Waikiki ride is gone, gone, gone. This drift was noted in the 1951 annual report after only five months after dumping in the sand. The exact language was "As we expected, there was some drift of sand, generally in the ewa direction, but the percentage is reported small." It is interesting that James, who even seems to know a bit of this history, still is "excited to see the new and bigger beaches of Waikiki". The reason? He states,"More sand means more room for more people and can only be a benefit to the tourism industry." So... let me see if I understand James properly. Benefitting the tourist industry is benefitting us? Like if I let the guy across the street pour concrete over my vegetable garden maybe he will pay me $3 an hours to be his parking lot attendant... say for the rest of my life. So that I can go to Safeway to buy the food that I once grew myself. Boy, I have never been more excited to see the beach widened. There is nothing I love more than slicing off my limbs half an inch at a time. Posted by James on February 6, 2004 12:48 AM : WOW! Concrete over your vegetable garden? More sand means more room for more people. Whether I'm living here or visiting I'd rather go to a beach with lots of sand than to one with very little. More room is what I would like to see on the Waikiki beaches so people have space to spread out. I only heard good things about Waikiki beaches getting more sand. I never heard any opposition or arguments against the practice. But I'm always willing to listen if anyone knows of negative effects. What has already been done over the last 80 years can't be helped now. Are we to let the beaches in Waikiki shrink back and disappear? There are a lot of big beautiful beaches all over Oahu and the other islands but do locals want busloads of tourists filling them up? I prefer Ala Moana Beach for it's size and clean water. It seems to have a balanced mix of tourists and locals alike. I like a lot of the beaches on Windward side but proximity is key for me, Waikiki and Ala Moana. The damage to the reef fishing ground from 1951 is done. I don't think extending the beach now is going to make a differance either way. And I hope the widening of Waikiki beaches does not result in the loss of any limbs. Posted by James on February 6, 2004 01:03 AM : Does tourism not benefit the state of Hawaii or the people living here? I thought it provided a lot of jobs and income for local families. I know it is not the only thing driving the economy here but I'm pretty sure they always make a big deal when Japanese or Mainland tourists drop a few percentage points. The Honolulu Marathon, the town of Hale'iwa and all the surfing competitions on the North Shore. And the streams of tourists pouring into Waikiki every single day just to spend their money. Do some people resent tourism and the whole scene here in Waikiki? Posted by Glen Miyashiro on February 6, 2004 09:36 AM : James -- "I prefer Ala Moana Beach for it's size and clean water." Excuse me, are we looking at the same beach? Maybe it's because you didn't grow up here, but Ala Moana Beach is nowhere near what I would call a good beach. Its only redeeming qualities are (1) easy access from town and (2) calm water for little kids to splash in. But the sand is low-quality imported stuff, the water quality is lousy, and the fish diversity is almost zero. I'll take Kailua Beach, or Waimea Beach, or Nanakuli Beach, any day over Ala Moana Beach. Posted by gaye on February 6, 2004 12:50 PM : James said, "The damage to the reef fishing ground from 1951 is done. I don't think extending the beach now is going to make a differance either way." One must understand that beaches are part of the living environment. Things that are alive can always be damaged further. Conversely, they can always have the potential to revive themselves. It is obvious what dumping sand on Waikiki beach in 1951 did. Dumping sand more now will increase the damage. The sand is NOT going to stay on the shore. It will drift into the reef. Everyone knows that. Only some folks seem not to care about anything beyond whether they can stick umbrellas (or heads) in the sand. Seeing sunbathing as the only way humans can engage with beaches only reveals our collective paucity of knowledge about nature, our relationship with nature, and our lack of imagination. One idea articulated by George Downing (http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/West/07/05/waikiki.sand.ap/), part of the original Save Our Save folks, is to pump the sand out of the reefs instead of bringing in more sand. James also said, "And I hope the widening of Waikiki beaches does not result in the loss of any limbs." James, it has already. And it certainly will again. How about visiting www.downwindproductions.com? It might provide you with some information about what has occurred, and why it occurred. Remember that the beach, the land, the sea, the streams, the sky, the air.... are still alive. Nothing is a done deal. What we do today will determine what will happen tomorrow. Dumping sand on Waikiki Beach now will most definitely result in deaths to many many things -- perhaps even tourism. a better world is possible gaye Posted by JB on February 8, 2004 05:44 PM : At least Waikik won't face the almost yearly loss of sand experienced in places on East Coast due to Hurricanes. The city of Virginia Beach, VA lost Millions of $$$ to Hurriane Isabel last year after undertaking a project just like this. Since moving from Hawaii, I've experienced more Hurricanes (even living 100 miles inland) than I did there (Iniki and Iwa while I was there). Aloha, J Posted by gaye on February 9, 2004 12:51 PM : maybe the message here is to stop trying to artificially widen beaches. Posted by JB on February 10, 2004 08:55 PM : Gaye, I do not disagree. Anyplace that positions itself to tourism as an economic engine (forced upon the locale or not, typically the taste of money sets in) usually ends up playing this goose chase with no practical end in sight. I really can't say what a community like Honolulu would do if that engine failed. The problem with a place like Waikiki is it's romanticism with popular american (and local to an extent) culture. Being that Waikiki is a "name" of the same ilk as Golden Gate bridge, Hollywood, etc, things will be done to protect it's appeal and image. I will look more into what someone like George Downing has said about the situation as I know long-time waterfolk have likely thought the problem through. I suppose dumping sand in the wee hours is "easier" than suctioning out sand emplanted on the reef. We will see time and time again that, in a culture which primarily values "cheap, productive, easy" that an enlightened approach suggested by the SOS foundation will usually be passed over. Getting communities in balance with ecosystems will either happen or not. You already have countries like the US and Russia essentially turning a bling eye to the fact that, perhaps in as early as 30 years, Waikiki beach will need the sand to create a New Orleans-style levee to keep an elevated sea-level at bay. We all know that Waikiki is essentially a pumped out marsh/swamp as it is. 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