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The Hawaiian Language Web Site - Awarded 'Best of the Net' -http://hawaiianlanguage.com -- E Komo Mai! Welcome! The Hawaiian LanguageWeb Site Ke Kahua Pûnâwelewele `Ôlelo Hawai`i http://hawaiianlanguage.com October18, 2003: Beginning Hawaiian Language Workshop Notes: 2nd Annual Southern California `Ukulele Festival The Hawaiian Home Page: Comprehensive Cultural Links - The Hula Pages What's New? Updated: 10/2003 Aunty D He mai! Mai! Mai! He mai e ku`u hoaaloha o ka`ôlelo Hawai`i. Ua ao kêia `ao`ao `upena nei, ua hiki mai la `oe. Mai, mai! Eia nô au nei." Translation The Call to the Hawaiian Language How This Site Came to Be Greetings and Invitation to Learn the Language Kûkahi (Standing Alone) `96 , Waikîkî Shell Keali`i Reichel haku mele (composer), pû`ukani (vocalist), kumu hula (hula master), kumu oli (master chanter), kanaka maoli " A loha kâkou! Ua lohe au: `O kêia ka makahiki `ôlelo Hawai`i. He ho`omaka maika`i kêlâ, akâ na`e, `a`ale lawa. `O kêia ka wâ `ôlelo Hawai`i, `eâ? No leila, pehea lâ ma hope o kêia makahiki? Pau ka `ôlelo Hawai`i? `A`ole loa. Inâ `a`ale `oe `ôlelo Hawai`i, pehea `oe `ike `ai i ka nani o nâ mele. Pehea `oe `ike `ai i ka loina o kô mâkou kûpuna. `Eâ, no laila, e hele `oukou `ao mai i ka `ôlelo Hawai`i. If you nevah undahstan', ah shucks!" Translation >> Keali`i's Songbook >> An mp3 sampling of Keali`i's music E `Ôlelo Kâua I Ka `Ôlelo Hawai`i ! Let's Speak Hawaiian! " A n interminable language...it is one of the oldest living languages of the earth, as some conjecture, and may well be classed among the best ...the thought to displace it, or to doom it to oblivion by substituting the English language, ought not for a moment to be indulged. L ong live the grand old, sonorous, poetical Hawaiian language." ~The Rev. Lorenzo Lyons(Makua Laiana), 1878, composer of "Hawai`i Aloha" , missionary. Why Learn Hawaiian? 20 Pono Reasons T he reasons to learn and cherish the Hawaiian language are many and varied. Ultimately, the desire... or the need... comes from within. I received the call to return home , "gift-wrapped in song and chant." Keali`i Reichel was my `ânela (angel, which means "messenger") and my desire to learn Hawaiian was ignited. Whether your desire burns like a raging fire, glows softly, or just barely smolders, it is enough to get you started here. Perhaps, for you, too, the need will become apparent. What's New? W hat's new on this site will be listed here for the convenience of frequenters. Hawaiian Language Lessons T hese beginner lessons are for the curious, the "local", the visitor, the expatriate, the homesick, the Hawaiian music lover, the hula aficionado, the `ukulele player, the culturally-aware, the unaware, and the-somewhere-in-between...the casual or the serious student. Browse through the Table of Contents ; there's something there for just about everyone ... including, maybe, you. Frequenters to this site tell us that these are their favorites: Mahalo & Aloha - How to Say "I Love You" in Hawaiian Hawaiian Idioms Greetings and Sentiments in Hawaiian - More Hawaiian Greetings Hawai`i Aloha - More Hawaiian Music Lyrics & Chords Speak Hawaiian like a "Local" ;- ) Say "Hawai`i" correctly - Common Mispronunciations The Aloha Spirit Nâ `Ânela Kelekî : Sheltie Angels The Hula Pages Commitment: Ho'okô If nothing else, learn the myriad meanings of " Aloha ." The Lânai C ome visit! E kipa mai! On the lânai, you will find journal musings... but only if you care to listen. Here's a sampling: Voice of an Angel tells of a series of synchronistic events, "bread crumbs leading home," which then lead to the creation of this site. Kalapana recalls nostalgic memories of a past Hawai`i, with a hopeful glimpse to the future, with hope that by learning well from the past, a brighter future is possible. A Hawaiian Love Story , a fond retelling. Brahdahs BU & IZ , cherished memories of the forging of unique friendships during the last year of a gentle Hawaiian's life. Hawaiian Cultural Links More T hese are the cyber-places to return time and time again ... to link up with friends and "talk story", listen to Hawaiian music, brush up on cultural knowledge, look up recipes, gaze dreamily at photographs of wahi pana (celebrated, noted, or legendary places), and read Hawai`i's daily newspapers and magazines. Hawaiian Language Links I 've searched the web and book-marked these URLs. They are collected here on one page for your convenience and perusal. If you are interested in a real-time class, check Hawaiian Language Classes . Aloha Cyber-card Hawaiian E-Cards S pread The Aloha Spirit ...and learn some Hawaiian too. Send an Aloha "cybercard" with an `ôlelo no`eau (words of wisdom / proverbs) to someone who lives Aloha; or who you have Aloha for; or those may be in need of some Aloha to brighten their day. Kôkua mai - Help W ill you help? E kôkua mai ana `oe? Here's my outstretched hand. Grab onto it and hop on to the Hawaiian Language bandwagon ... together, we will make a positive difference. Spread the word. Use the words. Sing them. Love them. Make them live.... mau loa (forever). E-mail Translation Requests E -mail. Your comments and thoughts are welcome, but I must apologize ahead of time. The volume of e-mail has been quite staggering. While the interest generated by this site is surprising and gratifying, try as I might, I am unable to keep up with replies back to you. This site is maintained during my free time, which is, unfortunately, as limited as yours. Do know that each e-mail is, however, read and much appreciated. Please click here if you have Translation Requests . Aloha Notes A n unexpected joy of this experience is hearing from you. Hawaiians believe that words have power. And indeed they do. Your expressions of mahalo and aloha serve as powerful incentives to "keep keeping on" with these pages. Your shared experiences inspire me and others who frequent these pages. >> Sign Guestbook - View Guestbook >> Previous Guestbook Entries Mahalo iâ `oe no ke kipa`ana mai. E kipa mai hou! Thank you for visiting. Come and visit again. Aloha kekahi i kekahi. Love one another. Me ke aloha pumehana, Aunty D About.com / TMC has graciously given this site its Best of the Net Award . Mahalo! Mahalo nui loa no kâu kôkua, e ku`u hoaaloha, Yoda . Mahalo to Suite 101 and Tony Kwak for this award. © 1997-2003. Created and maintained by volunteers with the intention of perpetuating the Hawaiian culture, language, and The Aloha Spirit, this is a not-for-profit educational site. Materials on this web site is to be used for personal and educational purposes only. No permission is required to link this site to other sites. Linking to this site to yours is 100% OK! As an ever-evolving work, information on this web site is subject to change without notice. This site honors our kûpuna (elders, ancestors) by providing world-wide access to a now thriving, beautiful language of the spirit that once almost met with certain extinction, this web site is a makana aloha ( fig., a gift from the heart); thus, any commercial or exploitative use is strictly kapu (prohibited). Back to the Top This URL: http://hawaiianlanguage.com >> the hawaiian home page: cultural links reasons | what's new | hawaiian language lessons | word lists | lânai | links | language links | help | aloha notes | nâ `ânela kelekî | pronunciation guide | the aloha spirit | EMERGENCY dog links | the hula pages | hawaiian music lyrics & chords Disclaimer © 1996-2000 Mahalo nui to GeoCities for hosting this web site. Get your own Free Home Page ! Mahalo nui to you for visiting.

Maui Windsurfing Vans: 800-870-4084

Spot Guide MAUI / Hawaii MAUI / Hawaii Much has been said and written about Maui, but there remain manyuntold stories and emotions associated with this windsurfing mecca. Look down and thewater is the deepest of blues. Look to your left and you see people taking lessons. Lookfar to your right and you see pros throwing loops off nothing. Everyone who has had thegood luck to sail at Maui long enough (including myself) has a great story to tell, infact, many great stories . . . breaking or losing half of their sailing equipment on theinfamous and dreaded Hookipa "rocks" and the feeling of absolute terror in theimpact zone with not a breath of wind in your sail.On a given day, Maui has a greatervariety of sailing conditions for all levels of boardsailors than anywhere in the world.Maui's motto says it all :"MAUI NO KA OI". Translated it's :Maui is thebest.This is truly a place designed for Windsurfing. Hookipa Sailing Conditions: For those looking for high winds: visit Maui in thesummer. From May to August, the northeast trade winds average 15 to 25 miles/hr, with manydays in the 20 to 30 mile/hr range. The summer is also when the wave swell is at itssmallest. For those who are looking for Maui's famous surf: visit it when there are bothtrades and waves - spring (March to May) and fall (September to November). From Decemberto February, the northeasterlies are less consistent, but there are still great sailingdays during this time - big wave days especially! During the winter, Kona storms willbring in 10-to 20-knot southwesterlies to the south shore. The sailing is side-onshore,port tack, with conditions similar to lake sailing. Another typical winter occurrence is5-to 15-knot northerlies. These winds funnel between the West Maui Mountains and theHaleakala Crater creating great side-offshore, slalom sailing on the south shore. Sailing Spots: KANAHA BEACH PARK - Kanaha is abeautiful beach park with long, sandy beaches, grassy area for rigging, fresh watershowers, shading trees, and picnic tables, all located in Kahului on the northshore.Sideshore northeast tradewinds blow consistently during June - August, with typically flatwater sailing on the inside, and good bump and jump conditions on the outside. BetweenOctober and May you can find waves on the outside reefs, ranging from small wind swell toexpert wave riding conditions. Most windsurf schools operate at Kanaha because of theconsistent wind and warm water. All year round it is a perfect place for any level sailor. SPRECKELSVILLE / CAMP ONE - Up the coast fromKanaha there is a residential area called Spreckelsville which has many beautiful sandybeaches. The main area to sail is affectionately known as "Sprecks", whichprovides pristine blue-green water and white sandy beach. Parking is limited, so arriveearly. There are no facilities or showers. The sailing level is typically intermediate toadvanced, with the reef making for more chop and breaking waves. Camp One is a no frillsbeach at the end of the Kahului Airport runway. The place has no showers, no grass riggingareas, no toilet, and barely a trash can. It does have a beautiful beach and the onlybreaking waves for most of the summer. The place is frequented by German's, Australians,Italians, French and mean local windsurfers. It's a place where you want to be polite andfollow the local traditions and laws to the letter. Rude and unlawfull windsurfers havebeen known to get worked (on the shore too). HOOKIPA - Hookipa is the windsurfingmecca of the world. Host to World Cup sailing and surfing contests, Hookipa rips. Jaggedlava rock, exposed reefs, a gnarly shorebreak, light inside winds and powerful ripcurrents make this north shore difficult to launch off limits for most sailors. Expertslaunch from the Beach Park, just downwind from the pavillion. Expect crowds, with manysailors lulling around the outside and looking for a good wave to rip on the inside. Whenthe water flattens in the summer months, slalom sailors launch here at Hookipa and blastdownwind along the north shore. KIHEI - Kihei is the south shore's mostpopular windsurfing spot. When the tradewinds blow north/northeast the pavillion locatedat the intersection of Ohukai Street and South Kihei Road is a great place to sail. Thereef can be shallow on the inside, especially near the Maui Sunset, so consult the localsbefore venturing out. Kihei is good for all level sailors and has a variety ofaccommodations nearby! Who to call: Al West's Maui Windsurfing Vans: 800-870-4084 Alan Cadiz's HST Windsurf School: 800-YOU-JIBE Coconuts Boy: 808-871-5084 Excursions Extraordinaires: 800-678-2252 Hawaiian Island Surf and Sport: 800-231-6958 Hi-Tech Hawaii: 808-877-2111 Hookipa Haven Vacation: 800-398-6284 Hot Sails Maui: 808-877-4433 Kanaha Beach Windsurfing: 808-876-0157 Maui Windsurfari: 800-736-MAUI Maui Windsurf Company/Cort Larned School: 808-877-4816 Maui Windsurfing Vans: 800358-2377 Sailboards Maui: 800-328-8877 Sailboard Vacations/Club Mistral: 800-252-1070 Second Wind Sail & Surf: 808-877-7467 Second Wind Travel Connection: 800-936-RSVP Surf Rents Trucks & Cargo Vans: 808-244-5544 Vela Windsurf Resorts: 800-223-5443 Windrigger Maui/Club Mistral: 800-345-MAUI Windsurfing West: 8003-580-2377 Windsurfing West Vacations: 800-782-6105 Windsurfing Vacations: 800-635-1155

Hawaii Wedding License Requirements

Maui Weddings*Maui Wedding Packages*Maui Hawaii Weddings & Packages Maui Weddings & Wedding Packages Celebrate your marriage with a heavenly beginning. Hotel Hana-Maui is the perfect location for the most memorable day of your life. Our professional and friendly staff is on hand to personally assist you with every detail, start to finish, so that you may relax and enjoy your special day. From cake selection to the design of the perfect bridal bouquet, we will create the wedding of your dreams. Hotel Hana-Maui also offers on-site, professional salon and spa services. Our wedding and catering staff will assist you every step of the way in coordinating the ambiance you deserve. A professional wedding coordinator is included in all wedding packages. We look forward to being your host in paradise and making your most special day a memory to last a lifetime. Please feel free to email us at weddings@hotelhanamaui.com with any questions. Maui Wedding Packages The "Aloha" Wedding Package $1600.00 plus tax ♥ Choice of outdoor location on property or the Historic Wananalua Congregational Church located directly across the street from the Hotel ♥ Member of the Clergy to preside ♥ Traditional Hawaiian Leis or Bouquet and Boutonniere for the bride and groom ♥ Arrangement of Marriage License Appointment ♥ Transportation to and from the Ceremony Site for the bride and groom The "Plumeria" Wedding Package $2800.00 plus tax ♥ Choice of outdoor location on Property or the Historic Wananalua Congregational Church located directly across the street from the Hotel ♥ Member of the Clergy to preside ♥ Traditional Hawaiian Leis or Bouquet and Boutonniere for the bride and groom ♥ A personalized gift from Hotel Hana-Maui to the wedding couple ♥ Bottle of Dom Perignon Champagne ♥ Arrangement of Marriage License Appointment ♥ Choice of any one and a half hour massage for the bride and groom at Hotel Hana-Maui's Honua Spa. ♥ Transportation to and from the Ceremony Site for the bride and groom The "Paradise" Wedding Package $ 5000.00 plus tax ♥ Choice of outdoor location on property or the Historic Wananalua Congregational Church located directly across the street from the Hotel ♥ Member of the Clergy to preside ♥ Bridal Bouquet or Traditional Wedding Lei ♥ Groom's Boutonniere or Traditional Wedding Lei ♥ A personalized gift from Hotel Hana-Maui to the wedding couple ♥ Bottle of Dom Perignon Champagne ♥ Solo Musician to play during ceremony ♥ A professional Photographer to capture the memories of your wedding ♥ A wedding photo CD with pictures from the ceremony ♥ Arrangement of your Marriage License Appointment ♥ Choice of any one and a half hour massage for the bride and groom at Honua Spa ♥ Transportation to and from the Ceremony Site for the bride and groom ♥ A romantic in-room champagne breakfast for the bride and groom A La Carte Selections Design the Wedding of Your Choice Your wedding coordinator will take you through all of the steps of the wedding planning process. After you purchase one of our wedding packages, your wedding coordinator and you will determine what type of flowers, music and photographer you would like for your ceremony. Your coordinator will handle all hiring, ordering and confirmations of the vendors. A professional wedding coordinator is included in all wedding packages. Wedding Site Enhancements Add to the natural beauty of your Maui wedding site with the following suggestions. White plastic garden chairs $ 5.00 each White wooden folding chairs $ 7.00 each Wedding Arch (per day rental) $ 125.00 Throwing Petals (per bag) $ 35.00 Officiator / M.C. $ 175.00 per hour Hawaiian Enhancements Hawaiian Luau Show (45 minute show) $ 800.00 Hula Dancer (1 Hour) $ 175.00 Lei Greeter (1 Hour) $ 150.00 Tiki Torches $ 15.00 each Fresh orchid leis $ 15.00 each Wedding Reception Enhancements Cameras $ 20.00 each Customized Place Cards $ 3.00 each Customized Menus $ 5.00 each Floral Center Pieces $ 75.00 each Wedding cakes are custom-designed by our pastry chef and vary in price, please ask your wedding coordinator for a pricing sheet. Entertainment Enhancements A wide variety of entertainment options are available to Hotel Hana Maui Guests. Listed below are the most popular requests and prices per hour: Solo Guitarist $ 350.00 per hour Musical Duo $ 500.00 per hour D.J. $ 550.00 per hour Classical Instruments (Harp, Violin, Flute) $ 600.00 per hour Site fees for Ceremony and Receptions Garden Pool $ 1000.00 per day Surround yourself in the lush tropical greenery of Hotel Hana-Maui accented with the manicured lawns and gardens surrounding our relaxing pool. Hamoa Beach Pavilion $ 1000.00 per day One of Mother Nature's most spectacular settings. Pristine, white sand beach, lush tropical setting, spectacular sunrises and warm trade wind breezes make this one of Maui's most beautiful spots. Kaihalulu Beach Overlook $ 1000.00 per day Overlooking the breathtaking Pacific Ocean and rugged coastline of Kai'halulu Beach the overlook also encompasses a spectacular pastoral setting with touches of ancient Hawaii not seen anywhere in the world except in Hana. Historic Plantation Guest House and Grounds $ 2500.00 per event The Plantation Guest House provides the ultimate in private elegance. Our showcase on property, lovingly restored, turn of the century home is accented by warm Hawaiian woods, earthy island hues and Hawaiian art. The Plantation Guest House combines sweeping views of the ocean and Hana Bay with lush tropical manicured gardens and grounds in an elegant setting that takes you back to a Hawaii most never get to experience. Hamoa Beach Sunset Dinner Package $ 1000.00 per couple Create a memory to last a lifetime by having a romantic, candlelight dinner right on the beach at scenic Hamoa Beach. Perfect for Surprise Proposals, Anniversary Dinners, or just to relax and enjoy the beautiful splendor of Maui. Dinner includes: A gourmet, three course, custom-designed menu from our award winning chefs A bottle of champagne Transportation to and from Hamoa Beach A Hawaiian solo musician to serenade you for an hour and a half Floral arrangement for the table A personal server to pamper your table A private Chef who prepares your dinner at the beach within view of your table Tiki torches to enhance the wonderful atmosphere *Must be booked 48 hours in advance Hawaii Wedding License Requirements There are many state licensing agents available throughout Maui. Listed below are the names, telephone numbers and availability for these agents. Should you need assistance securing an appointment upon arrival, please do not hesitate to call us. Kihei Cynthia Wolfe 875-8459 Mon - Fri 8:00am - 8:00pm Linda Albright Saturday Only 8:00am - 12:00pm Lahaina Debra Cohn 661-6288 Mon - Fri 9:00am - 5:30pm Lynn Steberg 667-4099 Mon - Fri 9:00am - 5:30pm Sat - Sun By Request Sherilyn Takushi 661-6288 Mon - Sat 8:30am - 5:00pm Florence Hasegawa 661-0887 Mon - Sat 9:00am - 2:00pm Basic Requirements Must be at least 18 years of age. There is no waiting period, residency or blood test (rubella) requirements for either the bride or groom. The cost is $50.00 (subject to change) and is payable directly to your licensing agent in the form of cash only. No credit cards or personal checks are accepted. The license must be obtained in Hawaii. Both parties must be present when applying for the license. The license is good only for 30 days, including the date of issuance, prior to the actual wedding. Your marriage license is recognized worldwide. Proof of age in the form of a certified birth certificate may be required for anyone 19 years of age and under. Driver's license and/or ID cards are not acceptable. If the bride or groom have been separated by death or divorce from a previous marriage, it is important to know the date and the location of the separation. No documents are required. Photo by Ray Mains Photography Book Rooms or Packages Online Join Our Mailing List Tell a Friend About us Request a Brochure Weddings Groups & Meetings About Us : Contact Us : Sister Resorts : Awards : Media : Travel Agents : Guest Comments : Links : Mailing List Maui Weddings & Maui Hawaii Wedding Packages Summary: For over 50 years Hotel Hana-Maui has been a favorite romantic destination for weddings and honeymoons in Hawaii. A professional wedding coordinator is on hand to personally assist you and comes with all Maui wedding packages. Find luxury Maui wedding packages like the Aloha Wedding Package. Highlights include an outdoor wedding location, clergy, Hawaiian Leis or bouquet & boutonniere, professional wedding coordinator, marriage license appointment, and transportation to and from the ceremony site. The Plumeria Wedding Package includes even more, like a personalized gift for the Hotel Hana Maui to the wedding couple, a bottle of Dom Perignon Champagne and a choice of any one and a half hour massage for the bride and groom at Honua Spa. Another wedding package is the A La Carte Selections. Design the Maui wedding of your dreams. After you purchase one of our wedding packages, your wedding coordinator will help you determine the flowers, music, photography and more. Other wedding enhancements include a wedding arch, throwing petals, officiator/M.C., Hawaiian Luau Show, hula dancer, Lei greeter, tiki torches, and many more wonderful touches. You can also have wonderfully prepared gourmet wedding dinners from our award-winning Chefs. 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Hawaii's Official Tourism Site - Travel info for your Oahu vacation Choose a Category Calendar of Events Accommodations Activities & Attractions Dining Golf Services & Information Shopping Transportation Travel Professionals Weddings & Honeymoons Free Visitors Guide Hawaii Travel Tips Sharing Aloha Choose an Island All Islands Kauai Oahu Molokai Lanai Maui Hawaii's Big Island Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec 04 05 Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec 04 05 Help me find... Calendar of Events Accommodations Activities & Attractions Dining Golf Services & Information Shopping Transportation Travel Professionals Weddings & Honeymoons Free Visitors Guide Hawaii Travel Tips Sharing Aloha Alternate Search Oahu is the most popular of the Hawaiian Islands and it’s easy to understand why – there’s so much to do on Oahu! With Waikiki as a central hub, you can explore the legendary North Shore of Oahu one day, and spend the next day on the east side snorkeling at Hanauma Bay, a protected marine sanctuary with tons of colorful fish. It’s clear that Oahu offers just the right amount of diversity for the adventurous as well as the cautious visitor. Thrill seekers can skydive at Mokuleia while daydreamers can relax peacefully on the beach. Exquisite dining and exciting nightlife also entice people to Oahu again and again. > learn more about Oahu M EETINGS & C ONVENTIONS | T RAVEL T RADE R ESOURCES | M EDIA C OMMUNICATIONS Corporate Information | Contact Us | Privacy Policy | Terms & Conditions | ©2005 Hawaii Visitors and Convention Bureau

Hawaiian girl. 1.1 Race

Wikijunior/Kiki character - Meta Wikijunior/Kiki character From Meta < Wikijunior (Redirected from Wikijunior project Kiki character ) Jump to: navigation , search This page is about creating a recurrent character for the Wikijunior project. For actual designs, see: Wikijunior/Kiki character/Designs About Wikijunior: A while ago, the Beck Foundation approached the Wikimedia Foundation, inquiring about whether we would be able to use our resources to develop educational material for a younger audience. We responded that we would be interested in such a project, and that our materials can be adapted for children. A proposal was sent, and we received a small grant to develop the project (see October 16, 2004 board meeting ). Thus was born Wikijunior. For more information see the project's page: Wikijunior here on meta and the actual project being developped here on wikibooks. Contents 1 Hawaiian girl. 1.1 Race 1.2 Species 2 Is Kiki age appropriate? 3 Kiki is a nude model 3.1 How about Niki? 4 What about 2 characters? 5 Kiki Designs [ edit ] Hawaiian girl. Oooh, yea I like that idea! -- Solitude 09:07, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC) Me too. She should be a Hawaiian girl. This spelling is particlularly easy to remember. Theresa knott Ever heard of Dora the Explorer? Ludraman - talk to me! 14:32, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC) Dora is for preschoolers, and is a preschooler; this magazine is for "tweens", Kiki will be a tween/teen. Also, Dora is Hispanic. Granted, there is Lilo of Lilo and Stitch (www.liloandstitch.com), but as long as Kiki isn't too much of an outright non-conformist and/or short and pudgy, we'll be fine. We want to make sure she doesn't conform too much, so that we end up encouraging kids that's its great to be themselves. -- user:zanimum My point is that Dora is a girl who goes exploring with her audience for (semi) educational purposes. This is what our Kiki will be doing. I'm not a huge fan of the whole Kiki idea, though, as I think it works better for a younger audience, and might seem demeaning to tweens. Ludraman - talk to me! 18:58, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC) Unlike Dora, Kiki wouldn't be throughout. That would require the thing to be a comic, which is way too intensive, and not good for information. She could appear occasionally just to deliver facts to the slighty younger part of the audience (that way we don't have educational materials where tigers don't talk), or we could have a say six page adventure, unlike Dora, the characters would have personality, the plot wouldn't be as predictable structured, and the "fourth wall" wouldn't be broken. Plus, we should still consider it as an alternative title , even if not a character. -- user:zanimum Say, what if the main character is speaking animal (like monkeys, parrots, etc.) instead of girls? I think kids are more interested in animals than girls. 202.65.112.42 04:06, 30 Oct 2004 (UTC) Well that was kinda my idea when I did the Wikijunior draft page layout a tiger for the big cat look, an alien for the solar sytem book. But some topics don't easily lends themselves to an obvious character like that. In those cases a girl might be very helpful. Also have one character appearing maybe once on every book/magazine will add branding to them. Children will easily see that these are all part of one series even though the topics may be wildly different. Theresa knott 13:10, 30 Oct 2004 (UTC) We certainly could have her interact with the big cats, aliens, bugs, in a natural but possibly even humorous ways (not in the Dr. Doolittle or Eliza Doolittle [The Wild Thornberrys] way). We'd never try and stress girl-power or anything to that end, as it would only irrate boys. She'd just be a curious girl-next-door type. She wouldn't be nerdy or geeky, or too over eager. She wouldn't be girly, but not toy-boyish. She'd just be a generally likeable peer. And she could have friends that appear occasionally, that she met over the Internet. There's infinite possibilities. Also, should we break this off the main page, as it's rather besides the point of the magazine name. Kiki could appear in a magazine of any name at all. -- user:zanimum [ edit ] Race Theresa knott suggested Kiki be Hawaiian. While I like the fact there aren't any political or social grudges from any region against Hawaii, so much as I know. However, Hawaiian are unusual to draw; they can't have general cartoon eyes, as that removes the Polynesian heritage evidenced in their faces. But you can't give them eyes that easily, as they'd likely turn out as Oriental eyes. Any thoughts? -- user:zanimum Agree w/ Hawaiian. Fairly neutral, not often portrayed, and there is a good unbiased reason for it ( Wiki pedia -> Wiki wiki = Hawaiian for Fast-Fast). The actual drawing is but a minor detail. Yeah, I agree. Hawaiian fits pefectly, but i wonder how hard we will have to stop stereotypes from happening (grass skirt?). But i defidently agree with Hawaiian. -- Quadraxis 02:52, 1 Jul 2005 (UTC) [ edit ] Species I personaly think that an anthropomophic lizard/cat/alien/tiger/something not human, would be best. it would certainly appeal to me when i was a kid, more than a "boring" human. I personaly like the idea of a lizard, but maybe thats just me. The bellman 05:32, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC) She might be a little out of place, the only "furry" in watching an Aztec reinactment, whatever. Maybe leave it up to the first artist to establish it. I'm going to do a "casting call" on various major cartooning and animation boards, for designers to submit work in general as illustration, and possible Kiki designs. -- user:zanimum Also, it's not scientifically accurate to have talking animals. I would be in favor of an alien or computer/robot (foreign, accounts for NPOV, reasonably scientifically accurate) How about erwin (the mac cube) from userfriendly The bellman 02:06, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC) Could you point out a specific comic? And, if I know what you're talking about, I don't think many kids would know what a 1980s Apple Macintosh looked like. -- user:zanimum Um... Erwin's an SGI O2. He hates Macs. 82.138.216.118 17:47, 26 November 2005 (UTC) [ edit ] Is Kiki age appropriate? I have an intelligent 12-year old brother, and I am certain a Dora the Explorer-esque character or a talking animal would be extremely demeaning to smart kids of his age group. Why can't this project appeal to intelligent kids, as opposed to catering to the LCD? Andrevan 14:59, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC) She's more Mary Jane than Dora. I wish Dora was never brought up. One is a procedural show, this is more The Wild Thornberries meets Indiana Jones. It's just every few pages she appears for a half page segment, total of five maybe. -- user:zanimum If we're really aiming for a neutral-gender age 7-12 demographic, I think an exploring girl a la Eliza Thornberry or whoever you want to compare her to is not going to work - the concept is too patronizing and "kiddie." – Andre ( talk ) 21:34, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC) could i just add here that 7-12 is a massive demographic (a twelve year old is almost double that of a seven year old, and could often be in first year high school (in the aussie system at least)). IMHO we should be aiming for 9/10 year olds, while trying to make sure that we dont have anything so daggy that a 12 year old is gonna be completely turned off, or so high-fulutin' that a seven year old gets confused/bored. Also different cultures mature at different rates (i cite the movie city of god as a good a proof as any) The bellman 00:08, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC) Actually, the grant was for 8-11 year olds, but things got widened somewhere along the way. -- user:zanimum Agreed, having a cartoon character makes it seem cheesy and tilts it toward the littler side of the scale (full disclosure, I'm 15). That said, if used in moderation it wouldn't be so bad. Perhaps use her for intros to each major section and the book itself. Overuse of Kiki will make the books seem kiddie. If time and resources permit, selecting a few candidates and ask the real kids would be nice. I am still confused about the project's scope, but is this possibly or definitely international and multilingual publication? Tomos 11:00, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC) Yes, this is definetly international and multilingual. It's just taking long to get off the runway than expected. -- user:zanimum Actual children commenting: All of the kids here right now agree that it has to be someone smart, a smart character like "a scientist or a genius or a professor". (age 5,6,7,7,7,8,,11,12, and one 14 year old that says her vote shouldn't count) that's 8 kids that read all of this page, so they are kinda smart kids, one of them wanted to know what a demographic was, and there was some misunderstanding there, 2 of the kids thought it meant "the sample for the picture of the character" the others that knew said it was "what group of kids are supposed to read it" the kids are talking about what kind of scientist, seem to have reached the consensus that a good scientist would "know all different science stuff"... (so my personal thought is maybe she looks a little different in each segment, like with a microscope in one scene, test-tube in another, telescope as an astronomer, space suit for outer space , brushes and trowel for archaeology, etc.) (ok, none of the kids knew why a brush and trowel are for archaeology, they are reading over my shoulder.) Gonna let the kids get back to the computers... Pedant 19:58, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC) So basically, they're fine with the general concept of having a smart cartoon character in the magazine? I've got a slight revision to Kiki here, if you mind running this by them: Kiki is a smart and curious, and in each issue, she asks some of the questions in the book to an "expert", who tells her more about the subject. This change to her is so that she's smart, but she isn't a know-it-all, and with experts in it, we can maybe even get interviews with real experts on the topic. Imagine being able to interview Jane Goodall, and have her appear in a cartoon form? Anyway, enough excitement for me. I can maybe throw the Kiki concept past my Dad's younger art students, see if they mind her. Glad to hear the kids Pedant asked think she's okay. -- user:zanimum or a cartoon hawking, or Lula, or Neil Armstrong or or... the mind boggles. The bellman 01:58, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC) You know, I bet we could even convince Hawking's people (I'm sure he's got agents and stuff) to let us include him as a character, and interview him for real. He's appeared on Star Trek: TNG, why not this Wikijunior project? And, NASA's always looking for free PR. Why not? We could even get interviews with Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva and Lucio Gutiérrez about their jobs running Brazil and Ecuador, and have cartoon world leaders. -- user:zanimum This is IMO a very good idea - a leap from demeaning talking animals to our hawaiian friend interviewing real people for the magazine - maybe the grown-ups will be taking a peek at this... Ludraman - talk to me! 23:15, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC) Maybe have her curiosity lead her to a possible answer of a question presented by the information on the same page . This answer could be based on a basic version of the scientific method - which while plausible is incorrect. A scientist (or a friend of similar age) can them point out a problem with her reasoning, which leads them to a better answer; all of this on the same page . A scientist could point out how "obvious" ideas in the past turned out to be wrong after reviewing new evidence. She should of course not be made fun of for making a mistake in her reasoning, but encouraged to be sceptical and to "throw away" ideas that are shown to be incorrect. I don't know if this is too difficult, or too dull an approach for 8-11 year olds. Instead of always rewriting, we could use some questions kids ask after reading drafts and their ideas of what the answers are. We could also leave some questions unanswered, but point them to possible sources or ways to find out with a safe experiment. — Jeandré , 2005-03-19t13:20z I'm 15; a few years ago when I was in the target demographic, I would distrust books with cute annoying cartoon characters because they tend to cover up a lack of content. If it's a worthwhile source, and Kiki's humorous enough - not just bothersome "let's advertise to our mental picture of 'kids'" - then it might be acceptable. The cute character motif got trite by about 6. I know I'm above-average, but even considering that, don't expect a cartoon character to appeal to 10- and 11-year-olds just by being a cartoon character. Geoffrey 00:49, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC) Agreed completely. – Andre ( talk ) 18:24, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC) Yes, cartoons can be used to cover up a lack of content. But if handled right, they can illuminate concepts. I remember a grade 10 science text book. It had interviews with scientists that related to the study units. Frankly, you only saw them dorkily staring into the camera, as they told you about their jobs. I personally would have liked to seen what their work environment was like; hearing about the an observatory is one think, seeing it is another. This bridges that gap. We can show simplified visuals of the tools astronomers work with, and what they do. This isn't to say we can't also show photos, just that we have the option. -- user:zanimum Same here. Think "Clippy" from Microsoft Office and you've got how children view cartoon characters in text books. BiomechZero I, being 15 as well, disagree somewhat. Cartoon characters can be good if they are done well, and aren't demeaning to kids. The character can't be to much below them, and it helps if the character doesn't break the "fourth wall". I used to read the OWL Magazine, while i was 10-12, and the Mighty Mites (sciency cartoon characters that had a cartoon strip that helped kids learn about a topic, and would sometimes appear on other pages of the magazine) weren't demeaning, at least to me. In fact, they were the parts of the magazine i looked forewards the most to each month. I think that if it was well done, and had input from kids across the demographic, then it might be possible to create an interesting Kiki that won't be demeaning to kids. -- Quadraxis 03:19, 1 Jul 2005 (UTC) Ok, Lisa is here, she says she'll work on the project if I help her type, because as she says "I can think really fast but I can't type fast." I think she'll be one of the kids that decides to sign up for wikipedia accounts, after tha parents get a look at the project. Lisa is '10 and a half' and says Geoffrey is right, "just because it's a cartoon doesn't mean it can make kids interested in it" She says "kids are interested in everything! That's why we're kids!" ... "If she (Kiki) is really smart and really a kid, she would know what questions a kid would ask a scientist or expert" (I think that this might be a key point) "if a scientist is really good at teaching stuff, he knows how to explain it good enough for kids to understand, and she should be a kid that picks scientists who know how to teach, not just bla bla bla bla at kids"..."but not talk to us like we're dumb because we are kids" (she just mentioned that this seems like it's a project made by adults and that she doesn't think they will really listen to 'kids' ideas.) We're going to kick this idea around with the other kids, and write more later, when they are all here. For what it's worth, the students are at my house on most Tuesdays, as a big group, and on a few other days during the week depending on their school schedule. Only one of the children has ever attended school, so this might not be the most ideal focus group to depend on... more later this afternoon or evening Pedant 18:42, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC) Yeah, lets get some kids in here when we have some stuff, and let's "listen to 'kids' ideas"! I'll see if i can get my hands on some kids who would be interested. -- Quadraxis 03:19, 1 Jul 2005 (UTC) I don't think a single human character is the best idea- if they're a girl, then that might turn off male readers, while a boy is politically incorrect. I'd suggest: -have a boy and girl as recurring charactors or -have the charactor be of a nonexistant species (robot, ghost, AI, amorphous blob, etc.) Just my $0.02. -128 My two one-hundreths of a dollor, this might be a way to have someone/thing/s known to the readers lead in and out. 1 page of "Kiki" at the front as an intro to the topic (like, in one about astronomy she could say a little thing about distances or something?) and maybe an interviewer. the hardest part would be keeping personality strait, as this is writen in a wiki... (i am slow today, i just notaced Wiki is one letter off from Kiki!) -- KinkoBlast 00:16, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC) I suggest making it so that the Kiki appears on the first and last page. The first page as a bit of an intro, and then on the last page as an interview with a real scientist, maybe?-- Quadraxis 03:19, 1 Jul 2005 (UTC) Tossing in my cents - Kiki needs character. I'm weel past the demografic here, but I remember usually detesting the explanatory cartoon characters, unless they were interesting in themselves - only example I can think off is that show with the school bus that would go everywhere. If Kiki were a toally dull, stereotypical character, I think everyone will be heartily sick of her quite soon. Some humor, personality, eccentricity, etc, might help alleviate that. Otherwise, the concept as it's been developes so far sounds great. 80.178.83.109 07:02, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC) [ edit ] Kiki is a nude model The kids just showed me the [ article about Alice Prin on the english wikipedia, which they found by typing Kiki into the search box. Apparently she was a 14 year old nude model, and famous for being photographed by Man Ray, etc... I'm wondering if "Kiki" is an appropriate name after all? User:Pedant Oh, that's not great. I liked the name Kiki, but we should maybe look for something else. -- user:zanimum Umm... thats not good. At the very least, we have to delete that redirect. It would solve the problem of turning off boys though... Err, bad idea! -- KinkoBlast 00:06, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC) Kiki is a totally normal girls name in Germany. But the word can also mean "fun stuff". So, this would be a great name. -- 80.171.72.182 12:43, 11 November 2005 (UTC) [ edit ] How about Niki? Is that an okay name for an Hawaiian girl? [1] [2] — Jeandré , 2005-03-19t13:20z Anyone not in favour of "Niki", "Nikki", or "Nicki", say now or forever hold your peace. -- user:zanimum (I think those links refer to a Chinese woman, based on the last name. Really, anyone can be named anything in this day and age, so any name will go with any culture.) The first two hits for Nikki on Wikipedia search are Nikki Nova and Nikki Park, two adult film actresses. – Andre ( talk ) 23:19, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC) Gah! Is Niki okay then? They're going to have their own seperate encyclopedia, once we get the ball rolling. They'd know Nikki/Niki was fake, and not expect to find an encyclopedia article on her in the full adult Wikipedia. -- user:zanimum We can dig up dirt on any name. notthe9 00:23, 12 July 2005 (UTC) We can do it the other way, first search on Wikipedia for people good for children and whose name is not trademarked, and then we could choose a name for the girl. DrJones 09:46, 12 July 2005 (UTC) I think that whatever catchy-sounding kids name you come up with will already be taken by a porn star (they seem to pick their names by much the same characteristics). I really don't think Kiki's that bad. The Wikijunior readers are not going to throw themselves into a life of sin because a cartoon character from one of their educational books has the same name as an early 19th-century woman who did nude modeling for artists. No name is clear if that sort of thing is too much. Kiki is a great name, with a good meaning to boot. We shouldn't let one silly little reference to Parisian subculture get us down. Besides, if Kiki does become a cultural icon, she'll have a wikipedia article too. :) I did some sketches a couple of months ago. I'll see if I can find them and get them scanned. Risk 19:50, 17 August 2005 (UTC) In Spain, Kiki is one of the names of the vagina. That's why en:Kiki's Delivery Service was changed to Niki in the spanish version. So, I would say it is more than a silly reference to Parisian subculture. I was thinking more in Sarah (or Sally) as a more fitting name for the character. DrJones 10:05, 18 August 2005 (UTC) Ah, that's a bit more serious. We could choose one or two names and have every version (language/culture) of WikiJunior choose their prefered version. With our luck, Sarah will turn out to Russian for fecal matter. :) Risk 12:45, 18 August 2005 (UTC) No, Sarah's not fecal matter, just a street name for cocaine. The name Sally's short for Salvation Army, which could be associated with poorness, the modern stereotype of the Hawaiian is that they're poor. Also, to Sally is to make a sudden attack on an enemy from a defended position. Alternatively, it's also "To make a quick and witty statement or quip", which is actually quite cool. I think Risk's right, it would be easier to just alternate between two names. Every dubbed show does it, even Sesame Street . I'd hate to have to name a real-life baby, must be so stressful. -- user:zanimum How about Lola, Sandra, Reera, Ella or Faro. [ edit ] What about 2 characters? Probably going to cause more confusion than I would like, but if the idea of a Dora-type character being demeaning to older, smarter kids is a problem, how about one character aimed at pointing younger kids towards stuff of interest to them, and a slightly older kid pointing older/smarter kids at stuff which would be of use to them??? Laid out properly, that would prove to be a very useful little signposting tool for the readers. One of each sex, obviously, say Niki for the girl and something like Nolan for the boy. I will work on designs and post a couple up somewhere on here. Tmalmjursson 05:16, 15 January 2006 (UTC) Talk with me [ edit ] Kiki Designs Wikijunior/Kiki character/Designs -- SV Resolution 13:11, 29 August 2005 (UTC) Retrieved from " http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikijunior/Kiki_character " Category : Wikijunior Views content page Discussion Edit History Personal tools Log in / create account Navigation Main Page Goings-on Wikimedia News Recent changes Random page Help Donations Search Toolbox What links here Related changes Upload file Special pages Printable version Permalink This page was last modified 05:16, 15 January 2006. Content is available under GNU Free Documentation License . Privacy policy About Meta Disclaimers